I personally like "Well Enough Alone" by Chevelle. It's my style of music, it's poetic, and it somehow hits home to me when I think of my situation. I especially enjoy the second verse;
"So fed up, what's with the scenes?
Observe and leave instead
This pity wagon penetrates my skin
So sensitive, makes me sick"
Then, of course, the main chorus;
Like before, makes no sense
Never coming, always leaving
Right before, hooked on substance
Digging deeper, can't reveal
Why we leave well enough alone"
I don't know what the song was really written about but I feel like it describes my feelings about the "truth", the org, and everything I've experienced.
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Pounding through my head
by freeme inhi friends!.
mentally im out of the org, but stay in it because of family, friends and wife.
most of the time im pretty happy, until i remember that this wont last forever.
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Double Standard/Contradictions compilation
by The Last Nephilim ini think this is the appropriate forum for this.
i'm trying to compile a list of jw rules, policies, practices, or beliefs that are contradictory or that they apply to everyone else but themselves.
for example; jws tell members of other religions to examine and question their beliefs, but jws can't; if you are in "the world", you're not really happy- only jws are happy.
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Page 47, top of the page, first full sentence; "Barbour succeeded in convincing Russell that Christ's invisible presence had begun in 1874.*"
"*A clearer understanding of Bible chronology was published in later years. See Chapter 10, 'Growing in Accurate Knowledge of the Truth.'"
I'm trying to catch up with what is stated in Chapter 10, but so far it looks like they're saying that CT Russell is "off the hook" so to speak because that "evil" Barbour "convinced" or "persuaded" Russell that 1874 was Christ's return. I have yet to see a statement that Russell "discerned" or "concluded" that 1874 was the correct year. Looks like the ole' "pointing the finger and placing blame elsewhere" tactic of excusing a wrong prophecy by Russell.
As I mentioned in my previous post, I had always thought that we JWs always associated Christ's presence with the end of the Gentile times. Evidently this isn't the case, although I don't understand why Russell would have ever thought that the two would occur at different times.
Anyway, the other statement that appeared to me that contradicted the first one on page 47 is on page 60, halfway through the next-to-last paragraph; "Yet, from the time of his early association with Nelson Barbour, he was convinced that there was an accurate chronology, based on the Bible, and that it pointed to 1914 as the end of the Gentile Times."
I just wonder how "Bible scholars" such as Russell and Barbour would place the end of the Gentile times and the invisible return of Christ 40 years apart? At any rate, what I've read so far in Chapter 10 makes it clear that all JWs at that time (and evidently down to this day) have held on to the idea that there's something significant about 1914, although it took some years to apply meaning to that year that couldn't be easily proven wrong with the passing of time, hence the continual "new light" on the meaning of a "generation". They just REFUSE to let go of 1914!!! They're going to make it fit one way or another!!! -
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Double Standard/Contradictions compilation
by The Last Nephilim ini think this is the appropriate forum for this.
i'm trying to compile a list of jw rules, policies, practices, or beliefs that are contradictory or that they apply to everyone else but themselves.
for example; jws tell members of other religions to examine and question their beliefs, but jws can't; if you are in "the world", you're not really happy- only jws are happy.
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Leo, I was under the impression that the end of the Gentile times always MEANT the invisible return of Christ, according to WT doctrine. Of course, this is the impression I've been given. Do you have an old WT article stating otherwise? If so, please pass it on- I'd love to check it out! I just checked out the first article on the subject in the WTLIB and found this, but it only confirms what you've stated about what is believed TODAY but not necessarily what was believed by CT Russell;
"Although the end of the Gentile Times had been announced in publications by the Watch Tower Society for decades as due to fall in 1914, those earthly rulers were determined to resist the heavenly Messiah in taking over world domination. They kept making the most advanced preparations for international war. Yet, outwardly, 1914 started off peacefully. Then, on July 28 the nations plunged into war.
7 The installation of the Messiah as King at Jehovah’s right hand in that selfsame year marked the start of his invisible presence with respect to our earth."
Needless to say, with the "present truth" we now have based on statements like this one, it looks like a contradiction, does it not?
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Double Standard/Contradictions compilation
by The Last Nephilim ini think this is the appropriate forum for this.
i'm trying to compile a list of jw rules, policies, practices, or beliefs that are contradictory or that they apply to everyone else but themselves.
for example; jws tell members of other religions to examine and question their beliefs, but jws can't; if you are in "the world", you're not really happy- only jws are happy.
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Thanks for the help, guys! It means alot to me to have help and to be able to communicate with others who feel like I'm feeling about the WTS!
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Double Standard/Contradictions compilation
by The Last Nephilim ini think this is the appropriate forum for this.
i'm trying to compile a list of jw rules, policies, practices, or beliefs that are contradictory or that they apply to everyone else but themselves.
for example; jws tell members of other religions to examine and question their beliefs, but jws can't; if you are in "the world", you're not really happy- only jws are happy.
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I think this is the appropriate forum for this. I'm trying to compile a list of JW rules, policies, practices, or beliefs that are contradictory or that they apply to everyone else but themselves. For example; JWs tell members of other religions to examine and question their beliefs, but JWs can't; If you are in "the world", you're not really happy- only JWs are happy. If a JW isn't happy, it's because Satan is persecuting them for being JWs.
You get the point...
I am researching things as deeply as possible before I decide what to do next. In addition to this list, I'm talking to my sister who lives out of state who has been trying to subtly convince me to give up the JDubs for years now. I'm also carefully reading the "Proclaimers" book to see what it has to say, and already I found a direct contradiction between two statements by page 60! In a nutshell, the book admits that CT Russell was "convinced" by N Barbour that the invisible return of Christ was in 1874, but 13 pages later it said that since his knowing Barbour he'd predicted the date to be 1914!!! What happened to 1874???
Anyway, if anyone can help me compile a list of these type things or direct me to a site that has already done so please help me out! ALso, I'm interested in things of this nature that anyone has witnessed at the congregational level, even if it was brought out that there was corruption. After all, elders and MSs are "spirit" appointed, right?! ;)
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Hypothetical scenario...
by The Last Nephilim inthe "judicial loophole" thread gave me a thought- what would happen if someone faded a la moving far away but then later decided to start all over again and pretend to know nothing about jws and go through the motions of becoming a jw again?
would there be a record of your first baptism on file at hq?
if so, what if you deny that it's you, that someone else just has the same name?
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For those doubters, I believe this hypothetical scenario serves a couple of useful purposes;
1. It further illustrates the flawed policies of the WTS.
2. It further illustrates the lack of Holy Spirit within the WTS.
3. Some find that pondering such things is entertaining!
That said, I do believe that there are some who may have left, who may even be posters here, that might one day, for whatever reason, WANT to go back. To automatically deem someone "stupid" for wanting to or for even thinking that someone might want to puts us in the same mentality of JWs themselves, does it not? They think it "stupid" for someone to want to leave. If we automatically adopt the thinking that it is stupid to want back in, we are no better than they are. Right or wrong, we all have freedom of choice. I might think someone is stupid for liking peanuts so much, but does that REALLY make them stupid? No more than if someone thinks I'm stupid for liking chocolate so much! Besides, some people might think that carrying out such a scenario might be the only way or the best way to help family or friends or just ANYONE in general to see the WTS for what it really is so they too can get out! I don't see it as any different than the military or the CIA sending in undercover agents to infiltrate an enemy to undermine them. Geez, can't a guy do some wild, creative thinking without getting bashed for it? I thought that's why we all come here instead of going to the WT meetings!!! -
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Hypothetical scenario...
by The Last Nephilim inthe "judicial loophole" thread gave me a thought- what would happen if someone faded a la moving far away but then later decided to start all over again and pretend to know nothing about jws and go through the motions of becoming a jw again?
would there be a record of your first baptism on file at hq?
if so, what if you deny that it's you, that someone else just has the same name?
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Why would anyone go back? Can you imagine the stunned looks on the faces of the entire congregation if you went through all the motions of studying, becoming a publisher, getting baptized, pioneering, being appointed as a MS, then an elder (PO would be nice), then maybe start partaking at the memorial, and then when everyone thinks all is well, you tell them all that it was just an experiment to prove that Holy Spirit does not direct the GB and the organization!? Don't tell me you don't think it would be priceless!!! It would be neat if that sort of thing happened in congregations all over the world!
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what song best describes your sex life
by karter insound of silence.. as my wife is a j.w all along the watchtower!
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tall penguin and sweetstuff- it isn't just "Canadian chicks"
"Closer" by NIN was exactly what I had in mind as well, and I'm neither Canadian nor a chick! LOL
You let me violate you, you let me desecrate you
You let me penetrate you, you let me complicate you
Help me I broke apart my insides, help me Ive got no
Soul to tell
Help me the only thing that works for me, help me get
Away from myself
I want to f**k you like an animal
I want to feel you from the inside
I want to f**k you like an animal
My whole existence is flawed
You get me closer to god
You can have my isolation, you can have the hate that
It brings
You can have my absence of faith, you can have my
Everything
Help me tear down my reason, help me its your sex i
Can smell
Help me you make me perfect, help me become somebody
Else
I want to f**k you like an animal
I want to feel you from the inside
I want to f**k you like an animal
My whole existence is flawed
You get me closer to god
Through every forest, above the trees
Within my stomach, scraped off my knees
I drink the honey inside your hive
You are the reason I stay alive -
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Your Top 3 All Time Favorite Scary Movies- Hey, It's Halloween Time !
by flipper inhello folks!
thought i'd start this fun thread since it's close to the hallowed night !.
1. the exorcist .
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Prince of Darkness
Exorcist
Sixth Sense (maybe not the WHOLE movie, but a couple of the scenes in there really scared the crap outa me, especially when the boy goes into his tent and the dead girl is in there, right in his face! And the part when he's sitting at the table and his mom steps out for a few seconds and when she comes back, all the cupboard doors are open and the boy's sweaty hands are flat on the table, indicating that he hadn't moved at all!!! CREEEEEEEEPY!!! -
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If You Dressed Up on Halloween- Who Would You Dress Up As ?
by flipper inthought i'd do another one on halloween!
i'm in the spirit!
no pun intended !
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An 19th century vampire, just like the ones in "Interview With the Vampire". As a kid I remember always being a vampire on Halloween except one year when I went as Frankenstein. Some people call it a fetish, but I don't know...